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		<title>By: hewhay</title>
		<link>http://theamericanheathen.com/2012/10/13/test-is-your-religious-liberty-really-at-risk/#comment-5944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hewhay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to Huffpost, but could not find the repsonse there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Huffpost, but could not find the repsonse there.</p>
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		<title>By: milljohn</title>
		<link>http://theamericanheathen.com/2012/10/13/test-is-your-religious-liberty-really-at-risk/#comment-5939</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hewhay, in answer to your question, the replies I cited above were posted on 9/12/12 and may be lost in the mists of Internet Time... But I saved them just for you! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hewhay, in answer to your question, the replies I cited above were posted on 9/12/12 and may be lost in the mists of Internet Time&#8230; But I saved them just for you! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hewhay</title>
		<link>http://theamericanheathen.com/2012/10/13/test-is-your-religious-liberty-really-at-risk/#comment-5937</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS : The TONG case was a &quot;buy a brick&quot; in a quasi-public setting, governed by a quasi-govt entity that prohibited not only religious statements, but also corporate logos,  profanity, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS : The TONG case was a &#8220;buy a brick&#8221; in a quasi-public setting, governed by a quasi-govt entity that prohibited not only religious statements, but also corporate logos,  profanity, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: hewhay</title>
		<link>http://theamericanheathen.com/2012/10/13/test-is-your-religious-liberty-really-at-risk/#comment-5936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hewhay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YHVH resplies:
1. My religious liberty IS at stake when the Administration tries to tell my Church who they can hire or fire. (Hosanna Tabor vs EEOC 2012)
&gt; If it&#039;s the Church, itself, the Govt cannot control employment. If it&#039;s peripheral church activities, the Govt may ensure compliand with laws as it does all other organizations to which the law applies.

2. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government tries to charge a Christian homeless shelter with religious discrimination. (Intermountain Fair Housing Council vs Boise Rescue Mission 2011)
&gt; If the homeless shelter receives NO government funds or subsidies and is not engaged in interstate commerce it may limit its employees and receipients of their aid to those of their faith
3. My religious liberty IS at stake when a Christian is prevented from putting a religious statement on an article that they are purchasing (Tong vs Chicago Park District 2004)
&gt;I am not aware of any restrictions for a BONA FIDE purchaser adulterating his/her newly acquired property with religious statements or iconography(except as such may violate residential zoning restrictions)

4. My religious liberty IS at stake when a person is refused an exemption to a dress code or other policy even though others are given exemptions for “secular” reasons (Fraternal Order of Police vs. Newark 1999)
&gt;First, the &quot;other policy&quot; claim is too vague to merit reply. Insofar as &quot;dress code&quot; it depends on the place and circumstance. For example, for the Fraternal Order of Police to wear their Uniforms at a Public School function might survive scrutiny as against other attire at a Public School Function. Generally, however, school dress codes may be upheld, whereas societal dress coders not. Also, such should always be applied in a non-discriminatory manner.

5. My religious liberty IS at stake when a 60-year-old monument is being threatened by a group that wants to remove all religious symbols from society. (Freedom From Religion Foundation vs Weber 2012)
&gt;If the monument was improvidently and UNconstitutionally erected in the first place, the length of time is generally no impediment to its removal on Constitutional grounds. By way of rough analogy, separate &quot;black school&quot; were erected for scores of years before their UNconstitutionality was declared forced their removal or other remediation
6. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government forces religious institutions and employers to cover contraception and abortifacients against their deeply held religious beliefs, or face crippling fines. (EWTN vs. Sebelius; Wheaton College vs. Sebelius; Ave Maria University vs. Sebelius; Colorado Christian University vs. Sebelius; Belmont Abbey College vs. Sebelius; Seneca Hardwood Lumber Company vs. Sebelius; Hercules Industries vs. Sebelius and approximately 36 others 2012
&gt;NO CHURCH, itself, is required by the ACA to provide coverage for contraception or abortifacients.  Business enterprises operated by churches not wholly staffed by congregants and  not solely providing for its congregants MAY be dealt with EQUALLY with other business enterprises, profit or non-profit. However, even then there are exemptions for religious affiliated medical providers;  they can opt to have the insurance company,itself, collect the premium and provide the services , and thus the religious-affiliated employer is out of the loop]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YHVH resplies:<br />
1. My religious liberty IS at stake when the Administration tries to tell my Church who they can hire or fire. (Hosanna Tabor vs EEOC 2012)<br />
&gt; If it&#8217;s the Church, itself, the Govt cannot control employment. If it&#8217;s peripheral church activities, the Govt may ensure compliand with laws as it does all other organizations to which the law applies.</p>
<p>2. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government tries to charge a Christian homeless shelter with religious discrimination. (Intermountain Fair Housing Council vs Boise Rescue Mission 2011)<br />
&gt; If the homeless shelter receives NO government funds or subsidies and is not engaged in interstate commerce it may limit its employees and receipients of their aid to those of their faith<br />
3. My religious liberty IS at stake when a Christian is prevented from putting a religious statement on an article that they are purchasing (Tong vs Chicago Park District 2004)<br />
&gt;I am not aware of any restrictions for a BONA FIDE purchaser adulterating his/her newly acquired property with religious statements or iconography(except as such may violate residential zoning restrictions)</p>
<p>4. My religious liberty IS at stake when a person is refused an exemption to a dress code or other policy even though others are given exemptions for “secular” reasons (Fraternal Order of Police vs. Newark 1999)<br />
&gt;First, the &#8220;other policy&#8221; claim is too vague to merit reply. Insofar as &#8220;dress code&#8221; it depends on the place and circumstance. For example, for the Fraternal Order of Police to wear their Uniforms at a Public School function might survive scrutiny as against other attire at a Public School Function. Generally, however, school dress codes may be upheld, whereas societal dress coders not. Also, such should always be applied in a non-discriminatory manner.</p>
<p>5. My religious liberty IS at stake when a 60-year-old monument is being threatened by a group that wants to remove all religious symbols from society. (Freedom From Religion Foundation vs Weber 2012)<br />
&gt;If the monument was improvidently and UNconstitutionally erected in the first place, the length of time is generally no impediment to its removal on Constitutional grounds. By way of rough analogy, separate &#8220;black school&#8221; were erected for scores of years before their UNconstitutionality was declared forced their removal or other remediation<br />
6. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government forces religious institutions and employers to cover contraception and abortifacients against their deeply held religious beliefs, or face crippling fines. (EWTN vs. Sebelius; Wheaton College vs. Sebelius; Ave Maria University vs. Sebelius; Colorado Christian University vs. Sebelius; Belmont Abbey College vs. Sebelius; Seneca Hardwood Lumber Company vs. Sebelius; Hercules Industries vs. Sebelius and approximately 36 others 2012<br />
&gt;NO CHURCH, itself, is required by the ACA to provide coverage for contraception or abortifacients.  Business enterprises operated by churches not wholly staffed by congregants and  not solely providing for its congregants MAY be dealt with EQUALLY with other business enterprises, profit or non-profit. However, even then there are exemptions for religious affiliated medical providers;  they can opt to have the insurance company,itself, collect the premium and provide the services , and thus the religious-affiliated employer is out of the loop</p>
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		<title>By: hewhay</title>
		<link>http://theamericanheathen.com/2012/10/13/test-is-your-religious-liberty-really-at-risk/#comment-5934</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Mill : Thanks for these counter points . Is the response containing such on HuffPost?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Mill : Thanks for these counter points . Is the response containing such on HuffPost?</p>
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		<title>By: milljohn</title>
		<link>http://theamericanheathen.com/2012/10/13/test-is-your-religious-liberty-really-at-risk/#comment-5931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[milljohn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I endorse everything Mr. Yahweh says in this commentary, and not just because I consider him a friend and colleague at “American Heathen.” However, I wonder if he has seen the response to this Religious Liberty Test posted in September 2012 by somebody calling himself (or herself) ready1923:

1. My religious liberty IS at stake when the Administration tries to tell my Church who they can hire or fire. (Hosanna Tabor vs EEOC 2012)

2. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government tries to charge a Christian homeless shelter with religious discrimination. (Intermountain Fair Housing Council vs Boise Rescue Mission 2011)

3. My religious liberty IS at stake when a Christian is prevented from putting a religious statement on an article that they are purchasing (Tong vs Chicago Park District 2004)

4. My religious liberty IS at stake when a person is refused an exemption to a dress code or other policy even though others are given exemptions for &quot;secular&quot; reasons (Fraternal Order of Police vs. Newark 1999)

5. My religious liberty IS at stake when a 60-year-old monument is being threatened by a group that wants to remove all religious symbols from society. (Freedom From Religion Foundation vs Weber 2012)

6. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government forces religious institutions and employers to cover contraception and abortifacients against their deeply held religious beliefs, or face crippling fines. (EWTN vs. Sebelius; Wheaton College vs. Sebelius; Ave Maria University vs. Sebelius; Colorado Christian University vs. Sebelius; Belmont Abbey College vs. Sebelius; Seneca Hardwood Lumber Company vs. Sebelius; Hercules Industries vs. Sebelius and approximately 36 others 2012)

Again, I agree with Yahweh, and I do not endorse the notion that these are clear examples of religious discrimination, but it is important also to hear and respond to the other side.

John Mill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I endorse everything Mr. Yahweh says in this commentary, and not just because I consider him a friend and colleague at “American Heathen.” However, I wonder if he has seen the response to this Religious Liberty Test posted in September 2012 by somebody calling himself (or herself) ready1923:</p>
<p>1. My religious liberty IS at stake when the Administration tries to tell my Church who they can hire or fire. (Hosanna Tabor vs EEOC 2012)</p>
<p>2. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government tries to charge a Christian homeless shelter with religious discrimination. (Intermountain Fair Housing Council vs Boise Rescue Mission 2011)</p>
<p>3. My religious liberty IS at stake when a Christian is prevented from putting a religious statement on an article that they are purchasing (Tong vs Chicago Park District 2004)</p>
<p>4. My religious liberty IS at stake when a person is refused an exemption to a dress code or other policy even though others are given exemptions for &#8220;secular&#8221; reasons (Fraternal Order of Police vs. Newark 1999)</p>
<p>5. My religious liberty IS at stake when a 60-year-old monument is being threatened by a group that wants to remove all religious symbols from society. (Freedom From Religion Foundation vs Weber 2012)</p>
<p>6. My religious liberty IS at stake when the government forces religious institutions and employers to cover contraception and abortifacients against their deeply held religious beliefs, or face crippling fines. (EWTN vs. Sebelius; Wheaton College vs. Sebelius; Ave Maria University vs. Sebelius; Colorado Christian University vs. Sebelius; Belmont Abbey College vs. Sebelius; Seneca Hardwood Lumber Company vs. Sebelius; Hercules Industries vs. Sebelius and approximately 36 others 2012)</p>
<p>Again, I agree with Yahweh, and I do not endorse the notion that these are clear examples of religious discrimination, but it is important also to hear and respond to the other side.</p>
<p>John Mill</p>
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		<title>By: hewhay</title>
		<link>http://theamericanheathen.com/2012/10/13/test-is-your-religious-liberty-really-at-risk/#comment-5918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hewhay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the &quot;like&quot; lielung1980]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the &#8220;like&#8221; lielung1980</p>
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